july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
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july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
part 1 forum regarding eps issues ,labor abuse, massive crackdown- immigration exit program,
many eps workers became undocumented beacause of some faulty eps law!!
josephpatrol- Board Member
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josephpatrol- Board Member
- Number of posts : 835
Location : hyewa-dong,seoul
Reputation : 12
Points : 1429
Registration date : 02/06/2009
Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
"many eps workers became undocumented because of some faulty eps law!!" - as quoted by josephpatrol
my point of views:
- it is not because of the "faulty EPS law", rather, how the law was implemented. based from the OFWs' work experiences, they are covered by the said the law, but the law was not properly implemented, maybe for some reasons, such as:
- employers are not well acquainted with the law
- employers are aware of the law but they simply don't want to follow the law
- as a background, EPS was formulated by Korean government to augment the need for foreign workers, which basically works on 3Ds - reality is - because Korean themselves don't want 3D works (EPS does not only apply to Filipino workers, but from other nationality also)
- now, because the EPS law is not properly implemented, it is the responsibility of the Korea
Ministry of Labow to take actions, to wit:
- SMEs (small-medium enterprise) must be regularly monitored if they really
comply with the EPS law. Sanctions shall be imposed to those industries who
doesn't comply with the law
FALLBACK: it is hard for them to impose such sanctions because of their
patriotic culture - they rather be on the side of their
constituents rather than on the side of migrant workers
(that's the bad effect on that)
- comprehensive review on Labor Standard Act, Act of Employment of Foreign
Workers and related insurance acts must be done and revision if necessary
maybe imposed
FALLBACK: Koreans in nature are patriotic and selfish. They make law
that will be of beneficial to their country, not of other nationality. They have
the thinking of "if you want to stay with us, you follow the law". You are in
our country, you don't have a choice but to follow the law".
- Korean government should not only focus in seizing migrant workers, the problem lies in the implementer of the law
- it is a reality: there is inhumane practices conducted by these SME's and it is not only an issue in South Korea. VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IS HAPPENING GLOBALLY.
- it is reflected in every contract that migrant workers should follow the law of the host country, & it is duly signed by the worker with the understanding of the host country that it is cleared to them the law and the nature of the country they were going into
- any kind of law, when not properly implemented, followed/obeyed, monitored, etc is USELESS
Mabuhay All OFWs!
my point of views:
- it is not because of the "faulty EPS law", rather, how the law was implemented. based from the OFWs' work experiences, they are covered by the said the law, but the law was not properly implemented, maybe for some reasons, such as:
- employers are not well acquainted with the law
- employers are aware of the law but they simply don't want to follow the law
- as a background, EPS was formulated by Korean government to augment the need for foreign workers, which basically works on 3Ds - reality is - because Korean themselves don't want 3D works (EPS does not only apply to Filipino workers, but from other nationality also)
- now, because the EPS law is not properly implemented, it is the responsibility of the Korea
Ministry of Labow to take actions, to wit:
- SMEs (small-medium enterprise) must be regularly monitored if they really
comply with the EPS law. Sanctions shall be imposed to those industries who
doesn't comply with the law
FALLBACK: it is hard for them to impose such sanctions because of their
patriotic culture - they rather be on the side of their
constituents rather than on the side of migrant workers
(that's the bad effect on that)
- comprehensive review on Labor Standard Act, Act of Employment of Foreign
Workers and related insurance acts must be done and revision if necessary
maybe imposed
FALLBACK: Koreans in nature are patriotic and selfish. They make law
that will be of beneficial to their country, not of other nationality. They have
the thinking of "if you want to stay with us, you follow the law". You are in
our country, you don't have a choice but to follow the law".
- Korean government should not only focus in seizing migrant workers, the problem lies in the implementer of the law
- it is a reality: there is inhumane practices conducted by these SME's and it is not only an issue in South Korea. VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IS HAPPENING GLOBALLY.
- it is reflected in every contract that migrant workers should follow the law of the host country, & it is duly signed by the worker with the understanding of the host country that it is cleared to them the law and the nature of the country they were going into
- any kind of law, when not properly implemented, followed/obeyed, monitored, etc is USELESS
Mabuhay All OFWs!
ernie obias- Super Sipag na Mamamayan
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Location : Seoul
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
"many eps workers became undocumented because of some faulty eps law!!" - as quoted by josephpatrol
my point of views:
- it is not because of the "faulty EPS law", rather, how the law was implemented. based from the OFWs' work experiences, they are covered by the said the law, but the law was not properly implemented, maybe for some reasons, such as:
- employers are not well acquainted with the law
- employers are aware of the law but they simply don't want to follow the law
- as a background, EPS was formulated by Korean government to augment the need for foreign workers, which basically works on 3Ds - reality is - because Korean themselves don't want 3D works (EPS does not only apply to Filipino workers, but from other nationality also)
- now, because the EPS law is not properly implemented, it is the responsibility of the Korea
Ministry of Labow to take actions, to wit:
- SMEs (small-medium enterprise) must be regularly monitored if they really
comply with the EPS law. Sanctions shall be imposed to those industries who
doesn't comply with the law
FALLBACK: it is hard for them to impose such sanctions because of their
patriotic culture - they rather be on the side of their
constituents rather than on the side of migrant workers
(that's the bad effect on that)
- comprehensive review on Labor Standard Act, Act of Employment of Foreign
Workers and related insurance acts must be done and revision if necessary
maybe imposed
FALLBACK: Koreans in nature are patriotic and selfish. They make law
that will be of beneficial to their country, not of other nationality. They have
the thinking of "if you want to stay with us, you follow the law". You are in
our country, you don't have a choice but to follow the law".
- Korean government should not only focus in seizing migrant workers, the problem lies in the implementer of the law
- it is a reality: there is inhumane practices conducted by these SME's and it is not only an issue in South Korea. VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IS HAPPENING GLOBALLY.
- it is reflected in every contract that migrant workers should follow the law of the host country, & it is duly signed by the worker with the understanding of the host country that it is cleared to them the law and the nature of the country they were going into
- any kind of law, when not properly implemented, followed/obeyed, monitored, etc is USELESS
Mabuhay All OFWs!
sir ernie,
thank you for sharing your opinion... i certainly agree on that... we have the same analysis...
i've been reading, reviewing, and studying the Korean Labor Standard Act, Foreign Workers' Employment Act for EPS, and most of the Insurance Acts since I started helping EPS worker thru FEWA and Sulyapinoy way back 2007... in general, i could not say the "law is faulty" but simply "not properly implemented"...
regarding the Foreign Worker's Employment Act for EPS, I found one provision which is not fair to the EPS worker and need to be revised... under the act, an EPS worker is deprived of his right to change a workplace within his sojourn period... the act only prohibits a worker to change a workplace if employers approve it or if the labor approves provided that upon investigation, said employer has violated some provisions of the law... i think that is not fair...
dave- FEWA - Administrative Adviser
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Location : Incheon, South Korea
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
to mr. dave,
good pm...
thank you for your appreciation.
nevertheless, let us be reminded that the law before it was amended underwent series of consultations, revisions, etc. it is authored by expert lawmakers who sees the both side of it, so I think we are not in the right position to say it is "faulty", and it is not really a faulty law, rather, as what i've said before, it is how was implemented...
regarding your concern on one of the EPS law which is for you is unfair - Re: a n EPS worker is deprived of his right to change a workplace within his sojourn period... the act only prohibits a worker to change a workplace if employers approve it or if the labor approves provided that upon investigation, said employer has violated some provisions of the law.. - i think this is fair enough. I am not Pro-EPS nor Anti-EPS Law, I am sharing my views in between. In all of the company, country or even in simple organizations, - simplest interpretation of this is that, it is normal that a worker must seek for employer's approval before his exit, because if he don't it is simply AWOL and there is a necessary suit against that. Even here in the Philippines, when you are an employee, you will have to seek for your employer's approval upon your resignation whether you are under contract or not.
the EPS law is not an excuse or reason for those undocumented worker - they have their own reasons why they disobey the law. And it is a reality that most of the reason is their FAMILY here in the Philippines. They cannot afford to loose their job in other country because an OFW's only source of income is the remittance. - that's the reality.
good pm...
thank you for your appreciation.
nevertheless, let us be reminded that the law before it was amended underwent series of consultations, revisions, etc. it is authored by expert lawmakers who sees the both side of it, so I think we are not in the right position to say it is "faulty", and it is not really a faulty law, rather, as what i've said before, it is how was implemented...
regarding your concern on one of the EPS law which is for you is unfair - Re: a n EPS worker is deprived of his right to change a workplace within his sojourn period... the act only prohibits a worker to change a workplace if employers approve it or if the labor approves provided that upon investigation, said employer has violated some provisions of the law.. - i think this is fair enough. I am not Pro-EPS nor Anti-EPS Law, I am sharing my views in between. In all of the company, country or even in simple organizations, - simplest interpretation of this is that, it is normal that a worker must seek for employer's approval before his exit, because if he don't it is simply AWOL and there is a necessary suit against that. Even here in the Philippines, when you are an employee, you will have to seek for your employer's approval upon your resignation whether you are under contract or not.
the EPS law is not an excuse or reason for those undocumented worker - they have their own reasons why they disobey the law. And it is a reality that most of the reason is their FAMILY here in the Philippines. They cannot afford to loose their job in other country because an OFW's only source of income is the remittance. - that's the reality.
ernie obias- Super Sipag na Mamamayan
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
sir ernie,
thank you for your comment to my reply... but in my opiion i still believe that depriving the right of EPS worker to change a workplace out of their free will is UNFAIR... why? i didn't mean about asking approval to the employers... i know that it is an SOP for every employee to ask an approval from his/her employer if he/she wanted to terminate or not renew his/her contract or resign and change for another employer... what i am emphasizing of noting "depriving EPS worker's right" is that even if a worker had asked a permission to change a workplace out of personal reason, if the employer does not approve it, a worker has no choice but to abide by employer's decision as described in the said provisions...
try to look at the said provisions as below under Art. 25 of Foreign Worker's Employment Act...
-> Change of Workplace is only allowed if...
1. The employer terminates during employment period for justifiable reasons or refuses to renew the labor contract after completion of labor contract.
2. The foreign worker cannot continue to work in his/her workplace due to reasons not attributable to him/her, such as closure or temporary shutdown of business.
3. In case the employment permit is canceled by obtaining the employment permit or special employment permit in false or other fraudulent ways pursuant to Article 19(1) or any restriction is imposed on the employment of foreign workers by employing a foreign worker without employment permit or special cases employment permit pursuant to Article 20(1)
4. In case working conditions are completely different from the terms of the labor contract or employment relations are deemed impossible to be maintained by social norms due to employer's unfair treatment including violation of working conditions;
5. The foreign worker who cannot continue to work in his/her current workplace due to injuries, etc., but can continue to work in a difficult workplace.
those provisions clearly demonstrate the unfairness toward EPS workers and clearly show that only employers have benefited the act... what if an EPS worker would like to change his workplace even after he finished his one year contract because he got an offer by other employer with more benefits than my current one? what if he decided to terminate the contract because the work is so difficult for him? what if he plan to change a workplace because the company is very far from downtown and he could not attend his commitment on religious activities every Sunday or meet some friends? in other words, what if he'd like to change his workplace out of of his free will and in that way he notified his employer that he will be resigning or not renewing his contract effective 30-days before the date (as standard practice)?
i believe there must be lacking on the said provisions... the act should not deprive the right of EPS workers to change a workplace just like what other companies did in other countries... or even in most big companies in Korea where most of them hiring professional foreign workers under E-7 visa... just like me working under E-7 visa, my current company did not deprive me to change another workplace as stated in my contract...
thank you...
thank you for your comment to my reply... but in my opiion i still believe that depriving the right of EPS worker to change a workplace out of their free will is UNFAIR... why? i didn't mean about asking approval to the employers... i know that it is an SOP for every employee to ask an approval from his/her employer if he/she wanted to terminate or not renew his/her contract or resign and change for another employer... what i am emphasizing of noting "depriving EPS worker's right" is that even if a worker had asked a permission to change a workplace out of personal reason, if the employer does not approve it, a worker has no choice but to abide by employer's decision as described in the said provisions...
try to look at the said provisions as below under Art. 25 of Foreign Worker's Employment Act...
-> Change of Workplace is only allowed if...
1. The employer terminates during employment period for justifiable reasons or refuses to renew the labor contract after completion of labor contract.
2. The foreign worker cannot continue to work in his/her workplace due to reasons not attributable to him/her, such as closure or temporary shutdown of business.
3. In case the employment permit is canceled by obtaining the employment permit or special employment permit in false or other fraudulent ways pursuant to Article 19(1) or any restriction is imposed on the employment of foreign workers by employing a foreign worker without employment permit or special cases employment permit pursuant to Article 20(1)
4. In case working conditions are completely different from the terms of the labor contract or employment relations are deemed impossible to be maintained by social norms due to employer's unfair treatment including violation of working conditions;
5. The foreign worker who cannot continue to work in his/her current workplace due to injuries, etc., but can continue to work in a difficult workplace.
those provisions clearly demonstrate the unfairness toward EPS workers and clearly show that only employers have benefited the act... what if an EPS worker would like to change his workplace even after he finished his one year contract because he got an offer by other employer with more benefits than my current one? what if he decided to terminate the contract because the work is so difficult for him? what if he plan to change a workplace because the company is very far from downtown and he could not attend his commitment on religious activities every Sunday or meet some friends? in other words, what if he'd like to change his workplace out of of his free will and in that way he notified his employer that he will be resigning or not renewing his contract effective 30-days before the date (as standard practice)?
i believe there must be lacking on the said provisions... the act should not deprive the right of EPS workers to change a workplace just like what other companies did in other countries... or even in most big companies in Korea where most of them hiring professional foreign workers under E-7 visa... just like me working under E-7 visa, my current company did not deprive me to change another workplace as stated in my contract...
thank you...
dave- FEWA - Administrative Adviser
- Number of posts : 1567
Location : Incheon, South Korea
Cellphone no. : 010-9294-4365
Reputation : 40
Points : 2299
Registration date : 11/02/2008
Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
to mr. dave,
before i proceed with my point of view regarding this topic. i would like you to commend for this very interesting information. this is indeed a good way of exchanging views and ideas, hence; this topic reflects the true purpose of the existence of this website. (instead of barking into irrelevant issues and concerns which defeats the purpose of its existence.
regarding the topic, as i said earlier, it is the simplest way of interpreting the law, in other words in "layman's term". the law is very clear, however, it is interpreted & implemented by the employers the other way around which is of beneficial to them. that's why there are other organizations which are ready to assist those workers who have been abused by their employers. it is up to the workers how they understand & fight for their right.
i am not saying this because I have a good experience as an EPS worker. in fact, I was also a victim of an abusive employer. but instead of "sisihin" the law, I fought for my right, went to the right authority and did what is due and right for an EPS worker like me.
let me share a comparison of the law for migrant workers. In Singapore, where I stayed for almost five years before I work here in Seoul, the law implemented for migrant workers is too strict and highly implemented. It is really far from how the law was implemented here in South Korea. In Singapore, once your alien card is released, your passport will be under the custody of your employer until you finished your working contract. Once your contract is expired, your employer will accompany you to the airport one day before the end of your contract for you to go home straight to your mother country. There is no chance of eloping and becoming an illegal stayer. And there is no chance of changing or transferring to another employer or company within your sojourn period. If ever you have the chance to elope, within 24 hours you will be seized and captured by the authority and deported to your mother country.
Maybe, you have a point in recommending/suggesting to revise the law pertaining to that concern, however; let us also consider the pros and cons of that if it will be revised. Maybe the law is rightfully written and amended, the problem was it was implemented in the wrong way by the employers and treated it as a mean to hold their employee. Indeed, the right authority e.g., Ministry of Labor must conduct and eye-to-eye monitoring of these SME's and other industries who have migrant workers to see to it if the law is properly implemented, and provide necessary sanctions to those who do not follow/obey the law. But as I've said earlier, there is a fallback on that since of their patriotic culture.
Thank you.
Mabuhay All OFWs!
before i proceed with my point of view regarding this topic. i would like you to commend for this very interesting information. this is indeed a good way of exchanging views and ideas, hence; this topic reflects the true purpose of the existence of this website. (instead of barking into irrelevant issues and concerns which defeats the purpose of its existence.
regarding the topic, as i said earlier, it is the simplest way of interpreting the law, in other words in "layman's term". the law is very clear, however, it is interpreted & implemented by the employers the other way around which is of beneficial to them. that's why there are other organizations which are ready to assist those workers who have been abused by their employers. it is up to the workers how they understand & fight for their right.
i am not saying this because I have a good experience as an EPS worker. in fact, I was also a victim of an abusive employer. but instead of "sisihin" the law, I fought for my right, went to the right authority and did what is due and right for an EPS worker like me.
let me share a comparison of the law for migrant workers. In Singapore, where I stayed for almost five years before I work here in Seoul, the law implemented for migrant workers is too strict and highly implemented. It is really far from how the law was implemented here in South Korea. In Singapore, once your alien card is released, your passport will be under the custody of your employer until you finished your working contract. Once your contract is expired, your employer will accompany you to the airport one day before the end of your contract for you to go home straight to your mother country. There is no chance of eloping and becoming an illegal stayer. And there is no chance of changing or transferring to another employer or company within your sojourn period. If ever you have the chance to elope, within 24 hours you will be seized and captured by the authority and deported to your mother country.
Maybe, you have a point in recommending/suggesting to revise the law pertaining to that concern, however; let us also consider the pros and cons of that if it will be revised. Maybe the law is rightfully written and amended, the problem was it was implemented in the wrong way by the employers and treated it as a mean to hold their employee. Indeed, the right authority e.g., Ministry of Labor must conduct and eye-to-eye monitoring of these SME's and other industries who have migrant workers to see to it if the law is properly implemented, and provide necessary sanctions to those who do not follow/obey the law. But as I've said earlier, there is a fallback on that since of their patriotic culture.
Thank you.
Mabuhay All OFWs!
ernie obias- Super Sipag na Mamamayan
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
Gentlemen,
Kudos to both of you for the exchange of highly interesting and factual views regarding this topic. I hope this would be regarded by everyone as a good example of sharing views/opinions.
I will join your discussion tomorrow, i am quite busy today and i am about to go to work. I will share the same view/s i have told some of the people who attended the last dialogue between the embassy people and different migrant organizations.
I hope some more fruitful ideas will emerge. Have a great day!
Kudos to both of you for the exchange of highly interesting and factual views regarding this topic. I hope this would be regarded by everyone as a good example of sharing views/opinions.
I will join your discussion tomorrow, i am quite busy today and i am about to go to work. I will share the same view/s i have told some of the people who attended the last dialogue between the embassy people and different migrant organizations.
I hope some more fruitful ideas will emerge. Have a great day!
zack- Root Admin
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
gud day to mr ernie ,mr dave and mr zack
i agree with ur opinion sir dave and mr. ernie ....but more on every tym naririnig ko ang mga kababayan ko,,siguro minsan di ko maalis sa sarili ko na lagi kong bigyan rights ang kapwa ko migrante...wat i mean mas priority ko rights nila kesa sa korean law
,i dnt know if u got my point,,sa dami kase ng ginagawang kalokohan ng ibang korean co- employee and korean employer
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i agree with ur opinion sir dave and mr. ernie ....but more on every tym naririnig ko ang mga kababayan ko,,siguro minsan di ko maalis sa sarili ko na lagi kong bigyan rights ang kapwa ko migrante...wat i mean mas priority ko rights nila kesa sa korean law
,i dnt know if u got my point,,sa dami kase ng ginagawang kalokohan ng ibang korean co- employee and korean employer
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josephpatrol- Board Member
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
to mr. josephpatrol,
good day.
it is understandable that you have your sympathy to the migrant workers, fighting for their right, etc. however, are they willing to fight what is truly right? do they really understand what is stated in the law - that law in which they signed before they became documented workers? do you think being an undocumented worker because of what you are saying "faulty eps law" is the right thing to do, nor their rights?...
as a point of view, every migrant worker has their own responsibility and has their own understanding with regards to their rights and to the law of a certain host country. it is up to them how they understand and abide with the law.
there are the right authorities to seize and give sanctions to these SME's and industries. i think, we should not only focus on the law, the rights, etc. - but let us analyze first - is the law properly implemented? is it properly obeyed both by the employer and the employee? do the workers truly understand the law they signed and their rights? do the workers really know what is the right thing to do for what they are saying their rights?
as i've said before, I am not a Pro-EPS Law nor Anti-EPS Law, I am not Pro-documented worker nor Anti-Undocumented Worker. I am always stating my point of views in between, trying to see the both sides of the corner.
Actually, the Law for Migrant Worker here in Seoul is quite good comparing to the laws from other countries, like Singapore, Middle East, Western countries, etc. The problem lies on the way the law was comprehended, implemented which resulted to abuse of power and influence, and in the end suffered by the migrant workers who really don't know what is truly stated in the law and what is truly right for them.
Mabuhay All OFWs!
good day.
it is understandable that you have your sympathy to the migrant workers, fighting for their right, etc. however, are they willing to fight what is truly right? do they really understand what is stated in the law - that law in which they signed before they became documented workers? do you think being an undocumented worker because of what you are saying "faulty eps law" is the right thing to do, nor their rights?...
as a point of view, every migrant worker has their own responsibility and has their own understanding with regards to their rights and to the law of a certain host country. it is up to them how they understand and abide with the law.
there are the right authorities to seize and give sanctions to these SME's and industries. i think, we should not only focus on the law, the rights, etc. - but let us analyze first - is the law properly implemented? is it properly obeyed both by the employer and the employee? do the workers truly understand the law they signed and their rights? do the workers really know what is the right thing to do for what they are saying their rights?
as i've said before, I am not a Pro-EPS Law nor Anti-EPS Law, I am not Pro-documented worker nor Anti-Undocumented Worker. I am always stating my point of views in between, trying to see the both sides of the corner.
Actually, the Law for Migrant Worker here in Seoul is quite good comparing to the laws from other countries, like Singapore, Middle East, Western countries, etc. The problem lies on the way the law was comprehended, implemented which resulted to abuse of power and influence, and in the end suffered by the migrant workers who really don't know what is truly stated in the law and what is truly right for them.
Mabuhay All OFWs!
ernie obias- Super Sipag na Mamamayan
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
Good day,
Since we are here to discuss about the EPS Program, let me share something which i think anyone will agree is a bit unfair.
According to NLCC :
I hope its ok to convey my opinion in tagalog, as much as i wanted more people to understand my point of view and so they should be aware of the current law in effect.
In between the policies under the Labor Standard Act, Foreign Workers Act (covering EPS) and the Civil Act, there should be no discriminatory treatment on the grounds of nationality.
In my personal point of view, i am worried of this new regulation that they should seek for a Korean first to fill a said vacant position and only after a prescribed time when no Korean has applied or accepted the job offer can they file for a vacancy for foreign workers. The effect of this would that all good jobs: jobs with good benefits and compensation, higher paying companies, less difficult jobs etc will be available for koreans first to fill-out and only after when there are no koreans applying for a said position, can a company seek for a foreigner after a prescribed period of time. In this manner, all jobs that are not chosen by koreans will go to a foreigner. Which is in my point of view , discriminatory.
Based on what the NLCC said :
is the process of selecting workers not included on the discriminatory part against foreign workers? what do you think?
Since we are here to discuss about the EPS Program, let me share something which i think anyone will agree is a bit unfair.
According to NLCC :
We would
like to inform you main points of amendments regarding the Enforcement
of Decree of the Act on Foreign Workers' Employment, etc. as follows:
1. Extension of
period of seeking Korean workers
(to be effective
April 12, 2010 according to Article 5(2) of the enforcement regulations
of the said law)
- The mandatory period for domestic companies to seek Korean
workers before filing a request for a permit for foreign workers has
been changed from 7 to 14 days. However, as for the employer who has
made every efforts to seek Korean workers including interviewing for
employment, the period for him/her to seek Korean workers will be
shortened from 7 to 3 days.
- ① The mandatory period for an employer to seek Korean
workers is 7 days, if the employer has tried to find Korean workers
through one of the following ways:
1
Participation of a meeting event for employer and employee held by an
employment support center.
2
Introduction through employment support center, local government. etc.
3
Interviewing through help-wanted advertisement ( resume, date and place
of interviewing, telephone number of the employee, etc. are to be
presented to the employment support center).
- ② 3 days of help-wanted advertisement through daily
newspaper, publication, broadcast( same as the existing regulations).
I hope its ok to convey my opinion in tagalog, as much as i wanted more people to understand my point of view and so they should be aware of the current law in effect.
Sa pagkakaintindi ko sa panuntunan ng Labor Standard Act at ng EPS governing Law pati na din ng Civil Act. Dapat ay walang diskriminasyon na magaganap sa pagitan ng koreano at foreigner.
Kung kaya't ako ay nabahala sa bagong batas na, kinakailangan munang mag-anunsiyo muna ang isang kompanya ng opening para sa trabaho sa mga koreano, at kung sakali na wala makuha koreano ay saka pa lang pwede kumuha ng foreigner. Kung kaya't ang magiging epekto nito ay, mas malamang na malaking bilang ng magagandang trabaho, benepisyo, sweldo etc ay mapunta sa mga koreano, at ang mga pinagpilian ang syang magiging bukas lamang sa mga dayuhang EPS.
In between the policies under the Labor Standard Act, Foreign Workers Act (covering EPS) and the Civil Act, there should be no discriminatory treatment on the grounds of nationality.
In my personal point of view, i am worried of this new regulation that they should seek for a Korean first to fill a said vacant position and only after a prescribed time when no Korean has applied or accepted the job offer can they file for a vacancy for foreign workers. The effect of this would that all good jobs: jobs with good benefits and compensation, higher paying companies, less difficult jobs etc will be available for koreans first to fill-out and only after when there are no koreans applying for a said position, can a company seek for a foreigner after a prescribed period of time. In this manner, all jobs that are not chosen by koreans will go to a foreigner. Which is in my point of view , discriminatory.
Based on what the NLCC said :
o According to Article 8 of the
Act on the protection, etc. of the Fixed-Term and Part-Time Employees
and Article 22 of the Act on foreign workers' employment,etc, 'without
Justifiable reason', an employer shall not give discriminatory treatment
to the fixed-term workers like a foreign workers in comparison with
regular workers with open-ended labor contract in the same or similar
jobs in terms of wages and other working conditions
o And
according to Article 6 of the labor Standards Act, an employer shall not
give discriminatory treatment to on the ground of nationality.
is the process of selecting workers not included on the discriminatory part against foreign workers? what do you think?
zack- Root Admin
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
sir ernie,
as i have said in my previous opinion in this topic, i am on your side in commending the Korean Labor Law for migrant workers in Korea as a far better than laws of other other countries pertaining to migrants' rights and protection... but we must not forget that there is no perfect in this world... therefore, in general their law might be quite impressive but actually not perfect at all thus it needs more improvements on some provisions...
that's why, if i'll be given an opportunity to suggest what should be done to further protect the rights of the migrant workers in Korea particularly the EPS, it should be on that specific provision under Art. 25 of Foreign Worker's Employment Act that i had commented earlier...
-> Considering the 3D types of EPS job, and since the current Act has already given EPS workers a 3-time allowable number of transfer of workplace, then transfer of workplace or termination of contract out of workers' free will provided that workers should notify their employers 30-days before effectivity of their contract termination must also be allowed in addition to the current pre-conditioned reasons...
in this way, workers will be given enough freedom to choose where to work according to their needs and personal reasons within their sojourn period... furthermore, this may also helped prevent EPS workers from making forced decision to work irregularly... like for example on situations where some workers were not given an opportunity to be reemployed by their current employers but those employers are still holding them not to resign or look for other employers who will might process their reemployment before the expiration of their sojourn period...
furthermore, revision of this particular provision is not enough... what is most important are strict and unbiased monitoring of Korean government through the Ministry of Labor on SME's compliance to the Law and implementing stricter sanctions for all violating employers...
as i have said in my previous opinion in this topic, i am on your side in commending the Korean Labor Law for migrant workers in Korea as a far better than laws of other other countries pertaining to migrants' rights and protection... but we must not forget that there is no perfect in this world... therefore, in general their law might be quite impressive but actually not perfect at all thus it needs more improvements on some provisions...
that's why, if i'll be given an opportunity to suggest what should be done to further protect the rights of the migrant workers in Korea particularly the EPS, it should be on that specific provision under Art. 25 of Foreign Worker's Employment Act that i had commented earlier...
-> Considering the 3D types of EPS job, and since the current Act has already given EPS workers a 3-time allowable number of transfer of workplace, then transfer of workplace or termination of contract out of workers' free will provided that workers should notify their employers 30-days before effectivity of their contract termination must also be allowed in addition to the current pre-conditioned reasons...
in this way, workers will be given enough freedom to choose where to work according to their needs and personal reasons within their sojourn period... furthermore, this may also helped prevent EPS workers from making forced decision to work irregularly... like for example on situations where some workers were not given an opportunity to be reemployed by their current employers but those employers are still holding them not to resign or look for other employers who will might process their reemployment before the expiration of their sojourn period...
furthermore, revision of this particular provision is not enough... what is most important are strict and unbiased monitoring of Korean government through the Ministry of Labor on SME's compliance to the Law and implementing stricter sanctions for all violating employers...
to sir joseph,
i appreciate your sympathy to our kababayans in Korea... like you, i also feel sorry to those abused & discriminated and actually i hate those abusive Korean employers... but in general, i can't blame the Korean Labor/EPS Law... maybe some of the provisions needed further improvements/revisions just like what i had commented earlier but what i have been blaming so much was how the current Law was implemented...
and one more thing, we cannot also deny the fact that some of the reasons of increasing irregular workers coming from EPS workers were due to lack of knowledge on their rights and the Labor Laws... oftentimes we almost forgot that our own wrong decisions were the reasons of what we have/what we are now...
i believe as a migrant worker, the best prevention we can do from any abusive employers is empowering ourselves with the applicable labor laws in the foreign countries where we are temporarily working/staying...
thank you...
i appreciate your sympathy to our kababayans in Korea... like you, i also feel sorry to those abused & discriminated and actually i hate those abusive Korean employers... but in general, i can't blame the Korean Labor/EPS Law... maybe some of the provisions needed further improvements/revisions just like what i had commented earlier but what i have been blaming so much was how the current Law was implemented...
and one more thing, we cannot also deny the fact that some of the reasons of increasing irregular workers coming from EPS workers were due to lack of knowledge on their rights and the Labor Laws... oftentimes we almost forgot that our own wrong decisions were the reasons of what we have/what we are now...
i believe as a migrant worker, the best prevention we can do from any abusive employers is empowering ourselves with the applicable labor laws in the foreign countries where we are temporarily working/staying...
thank you...
dave- FEWA - Administrative Adviser
- Number of posts : 1567
Location : Incheon, South Korea
Cellphone no. : 010-9294-4365
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
sir zack,
let me share my opinion on your posted issue...
1. Extension of period of seeking Korean workers (to be effective April 12, 2010 according to Article 5(2) of the enforcement regulations of the said law)
- The mandatory period for domestic companies to seek Korean workers before filing a request for a permit for foreign workers has been changed from 7 to 14 days. However, as for the employer who has made every efforts to seek Korean workers including interviewing for employment, the period for him/her to seek Korean workers will be shortened from 7 to 3 days.
- ① The mandatory period for an employer to seek Korean workers is 7 days, if the employer has tried to find Korean workers through one of the following ways:
1) Participation of a meeting event for employer and employee held by an employment support center.
2) Introduction through employment support center, local government. etc.
3) Interviewing through help-wanted advertisement ( resume, date and place of interviewing, telephone number of the employee, etc. are to be presented to the employment support center).
- ② 3 days of help-wanted advertisement through daily newspaper, publication, broadcast( same as the existing regulations).
as i know, this Article 5(2) of the Enforcement Regulations of the Act on Foreign Workers' Employment is actually not new but already implemented since the implementation of the EPS program... there was just a revision made effective April 12, 2010 according to the length of period that a hiring Korean employer must seek Korean applicants first before they will be allowed to hire foreign EPS workers...
for me, it is very obvious that the said regulation has shown a discriminatory treatment against foreign EPS workers pertaining to applicant selection but i understand the Korean government puspose... that is mainly to protect the unemployment rate of the Korean people... this is their country so even if the regulation is discriminatory but we have to accept the fact that it is their right to take care of their own people first... and Korea is not alone implementing this regulation... even Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc are also implementing very similar regulation...
how about below?...
According to Article 8 of the Act on the protection, etc. of the Fixed-Term and Part-Time Employees and Article 22 of the Act on Foreign Workers' Employment, etc, 'without Justifiable reason', an employer shall not give discriminatory treatment to the fixed-term workers like a foreign workers in comparison with regular workers with open-ended labor contract in the same or similar jobs in terms of wages and other working conditions...
And according to Article 6 of the Labor Standards Act, an employer shall not give discriminatory treatment to on the ground of nationality.
i think these articles did not contradict to the previous Article 5(2) of the Enforcement Regulations of the Act on Foreign Workers' Employment because if we try to read the whole content of Labor Standards Act and Act on Foreign Workers' Employment, the term discriminatory treatment or equal treament were only referring to working condition, salary, vacation leave, overtimes, working hours, and other applicable provisions except hiring condition...
thank you...
let me share my opinion on your posted issue...
1. Extension of period of seeking Korean workers (to be effective April 12, 2010 according to Article 5(2) of the enforcement regulations of the said law)
- The mandatory period for domestic companies to seek Korean workers before filing a request for a permit for foreign workers has been changed from 7 to 14 days. However, as for the employer who has made every efforts to seek Korean workers including interviewing for employment, the period for him/her to seek Korean workers will be shortened from 7 to 3 days.
- ① The mandatory period for an employer to seek Korean workers is 7 days, if the employer has tried to find Korean workers through one of the following ways:
1) Participation of a meeting event for employer and employee held by an employment support center.
2) Introduction through employment support center, local government. etc.
3) Interviewing through help-wanted advertisement ( resume, date and place of interviewing, telephone number of the employee, etc. are to be presented to the employment support center).
- ② 3 days of help-wanted advertisement through daily newspaper, publication, broadcast( same as the existing regulations).
as i know, this Article 5(2) of the Enforcement Regulations of the Act on Foreign Workers' Employment is actually not new but already implemented since the implementation of the EPS program... there was just a revision made effective April 12, 2010 according to the length of period that a hiring Korean employer must seek Korean applicants first before they will be allowed to hire foreign EPS workers...
for me, it is very obvious that the said regulation has shown a discriminatory treatment against foreign EPS workers pertaining to applicant selection but i understand the Korean government puspose... that is mainly to protect the unemployment rate of the Korean people... this is their country so even if the regulation is discriminatory but we have to accept the fact that it is their right to take care of their own people first... and Korea is not alone implementing this regulation... even Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc are also implementing very similar regulation...
how about below?...
According to Article 8 of the Act on the protection, etc. of the Fixed-Term and Part-Time Employees and Article 22 of the Act on Foreign Workers' Employment, etc, 'without Justifiable reason', an employer shall not give discriminatory treatment to the fixed-term workers like a foreign workers in comparison with regular workers with open-ended labor contract in the same or similar jobs in terms of wages and other working conditions...
And according to Article 6 of the Labor Standards Act, an employer shall not give discriminatory treatment to on the ground of nationality.
i think these articles did not contradict to the previous Article 5(2) of the Enforcement Regulations of the Act on Foreign Workers' Employment because if we try to read the whole content of Labor Standards Act and Act on Foreign Workers' Employment, the term discriminatory treatment or equal treament were only referring to working condition, salary, vacation leave, overtimes, working hours, and other applicable provisions except hiring condition...
thank you...
dave- FEWA - Administrative Adviser
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I am not Pro-EPS Law nor Anti-EPS Law, nor Pro-documnted worker, nor Anti-Undocumented Worker; indeed, all posted opinions bear very relevant and interesting ideas, ideas which are really factual and worth reading. Migrant workers should have enough courage and be empowered to know and fight for their rights. However, before indulging into "fights", thorough reviews, analysis and in-depth comprehension of the law must be consider in order to fully understand what you are really fighting for.Try to evaluate the both sides of it, instead of barking into emotional aspect and sentiments of others, at least you will not be ashamed of when you encounter these lawmakers because you are fully equipped with the right knowledge.
it is very rewarding that the facilitators of this website are truly voracious readers and know where they stand. congratulations! may you continue to be a good role model to our fellow migrant workers and help them to be empowered with their rights.
goodluck in your endeavors!
Mabuhay All OFWs!
it is very rewarding that the facilitators of this website are truly voracious readers and know where they stand. congratulations! may you continue to be a good role model to our fellow migrant workers and help them to be empowered with their rights.
goodluck in your endeavors!
Mabuhay All OFWs!
ernie obias- Super Sipag na Mamamayan
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Location : Seoul
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
forum 11 of 12 videos
regarding eps ,tnt, and labor law, turn -over of anti crackdown campaign for undocumented migrant workers- MTU willingness to assist workers for their problem,chat of batangas synthesis- con-gen slyvia marasigan explanation(tht consul general)
josephpatrol- Board Member
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Gentlemen:
Good day.
EPS law is a good topic to indulge with. Exchange of ideas is really interesting especially if it is based from factual information. I intended to pause for a while regarding this topic as I tried to embark on some reasons that maybe or can be related to this issues.
“Korean employers hire migrant workers to do 3D jobs instead of their constituents”
Things that ponder into my minds on this matter:
- maybe because Koreans prioritize to work on highly skilled or on professional category and the government prefers their constituents rather than migrant, that’s why most of the migrants were thrown to work on lower categories
- another thing is the educational system. Even if a Filipino migrant worker and a Korean has the same educational background/attainment, still they prefer Korean because of wide knowledge and expertise. Why educational system? If we try to analyze and compare, the educational system in the Philippines is quite far from the Koreans. In the Philippines, when you are in college, you will consume your first two years in general subjects or general education core subjects which are already taken in high school days. These subjects are redundant, and we consume two non-sense years instead of giving us the four years as ample time to master of chosen field of specialization, in which we might become experts. Here in Korea, instead of “college” they call it “major” wherein students focus only on mastering their chosen field or course in which in the end, makes them experts and globally competitive. This is the reason why, most of the Filipino workers fall in blue-collar jobs, 3D jobs, entertainers, and other related works when working in foreign land. Only few are chosen or given the fortune to work as skilled or professionals.
- Another thing is “racial discrimination”. For example, in the “teaching profession”. It is very clear in their law that racial discrimination appears. Why? Only English natives are allowed to teach in Korea, or unless you are married to a Korean (however, you will undergo series of tests). The new law on allowing Asian people like Filipinos to teach has not yet implemented. This is a clear example of racial discrimination, and a proof that this country doesn’t have trust and regards to the capabilities of the Filipinos.
“Most of Korean employers abuse their workers in any ways, without respecting what is stated in the law”
Things that ponder into my mind on this matter:
- maybe because of the stigma that Filipinos are being viewed as slaves, people with the lowest profile in the society. It maybe hurting to hear, but that is the reality. We are still in the shadow of negative impression about Filipinos. We are regarded as one of the lowest profile because of our economic and social status. Korean belongs to the third world country before, but because of their persistent and commitment to make a difference, they were able to achieve to become one of the 1st world countries. (But I wonder, Koreans already invade Japan and the most numbered illegal stayers in Japan are Koreans)
- Maybe because most of the Filipino migrant workers are still naïve, passive. They might know the law and understand it, but they might not have enough courage to speak out their voice, to fight for what is right and due for them. Or maybe, as simple as they don’t want to loose their jobs, hence, they prefer to be silent. And in the end they choose to elope and be illegal stayer accompanied by blaming the law. Well in fact, the Korean law is quite good comparing to laws with other countries such as Middle East, Western, and other Asian e.g., Singapore.
- Maybe because proper authorities are not that too strict in monitoring these SMEs and other industries in the implementation of the law. Or maybe because our assigned authorities here in Korea sent by our government are blind, deaf and mute of what is the true picture/situation of the Filipino migrant workers, as long as they are receiving their own salaries and enjoying their own purposes.
As a point of realization, we Filipino migrant workers, legal or illegal has individual responsibilities. As we try to materialize our dreams and journeys in foreign land, let us try to be responsible with our doings and try to make a difference. Let us not pinpoint others on what is happening to our lives, instead let us try to reflect on our behaviors and doings that affects our present situation. Self-discipline is the most important aspect when we are in a foreign land, when we are away from our family. To the families of OFWs left in the Philippines, may you also help your family members who sacrificed a lot and chose to be apart from you just to provide your means. May you also realize and find means that the sacrifices of your family members are paid worth.
I am not speaking/writing for myself or for anybody else, I am sharing this point of view in general picture. I used the term “we” as a means of general ideas. I myself is not an illegal stayer, for I am working under Employment Permit System.
Mabuhay all OFWs!
Good day.
EPS law is a good topic to indulge with. Exchange of ideas is really interesting especially if it is based from factual information. I intended to pause for a while regarding this topic as I tried to embark on some reasons that maybe or can be related to this issues.
“Korean employers hire migrant workers to do 3D jobs instead of their constituents”
Things that ponder into my minds on this matter:
- maybe because Koreans prioritize to work on highly skilled or on professional category and the government prefers their constituents rather than migrant, that’s why most of the migrants were thrown to work on lower categories
- another thing is the educational system. Even if a Filipino migrant worker and a Korean has the same educational background/attainment, still they prefer Korean because of wide knowledge and expertise. Why educational system? If we try to analyze and compare, the educational system in the Philippines is quite far from the Koreans. In the Philippines, when you are in college, you will consume your first two years in general subjects or general education core subjects which are already taken in high school days. These subjects are redundant, and we consume two non-sense years instead of giving us the four years as ample time to master of chosen field of specialization, in which we might become experts. Here in Korea, instead of “college” they call it “major” wherein students focus only on mastering their chosen field or course in which in the end, makes them experts and globally competitive. This is the reason why, most of the Filipino workers fall in blue-collar jobs, 3D jobs, entertainers, and other related works when working in foreign land. Only few are chosen or given the fortune to work as skilled or professionals.
- Another thing is “racial discrimination”. For example, in the “teaching profession”. It is very clear in their law that racial discrimination appears. Why? Only English natives are allowed to teach in Korea, or unless you are married to a Korean (however, you will undergo series of tests). The new law on allowing Asian people like Filipinos to teach has not yet implemented. This is a clear example of racial discrimination, and a proof that this country doesn’t have trust and regards to the capabilities of the Filipinos.
“Most of Korean employers abuse their workers in any ways, without respecting what is stated in the law”
Things that ponder into my mind on this matter:
- maybe because of the stigma that Filipinos are being viewed as slaves, people with the lowest profile in the society. It maybe hurting to hear, but that is the reality. We are still in the shadow of negative impression about Filipinos. We are regarded as one of the lowest profile because of our economic and social status. Korean belongs to the third world country before, but because of their persistent and commitment to make a difference, they were able to achieve to become one of the 1st world countries. (But I wonder, Koreans already invade Japan and the most numbered illegal stayers in Japan are Koreans)
- Maybe because most of the Filipino migrant workers are still naïve, passive. They might know the law and understand it, but they might not have enough courage to speak out their voice, to fight for what is right and due for them. Or maybe, as simple as they don’t want to loose their jobs, hence, they prefer to be silent. And in the end they choose to elope and be illegal stayer accompanied by blaming the law. Well in fact, the Korean law is quite good comparing to laws with other countries such as Middle East, Western, and other Asian e.g., Singapore.
- Maybe because proper authorities are not that too strict in monitoring these SMEs and other industries in the implementation of the law. Or maybe because our assigned authorities here in Korea sent by our government are blind, deaf and mute of what is the true picture/situation of the Filipino migrant workers, as long as they are receiving their own salaries and enjoying their own purposes.
As a point of realization, we Filipino migrant workers, legal or illegal has individual responsibilities. As we try to materialize our dreams and journeys in foreign land, let us try to be responsible with our doings and try to make a difference. Let us not pinpoint others on what is happening to our lives, instead let us try to reflect on our behaviors and doings that affects our present situation. Self-discipline is the most important aspect when we are in a foreign land, when we are away from our family. To the families of OFWs left in the Philippines, may you also help your family members who sacrificed a lot and chose to be apart from you just to provide your means. May you also realize and find means that the sacrifices of your family members are paid worth.
I am not speaking/writing for myself or for anybody else, I am sharing this point of view in general picture. I used the term “we” as a means of general ideas. I myself is not an illegal stayer, for I am working under Employment Permit System.
Mabuhay all OFWs!
ernie obias- Super Sipag na Mamamayan
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts & point of views mga kabayan! Agree ako sa sapantaha mo Sir Ernie lalo na dito sa puntong ito...
"- Maybe because proper authorities are not that too strict in monitoring these SMEs and other industries in the implementation of the law. Or maybe because our assigned authorities here in Korea sent by our government are blind, deaf and mute of what is the true picture/situation of the Filipino migrant workers, as long as they are receiving their own salaries and enjoying their own purposes."
Sad but its really true...
"- Maybe because proper authorities are not that too strict in monitoring these SMEs and other industries in the implementation of the law. Or maybe because our assigned authorities here in Korea sent by our government are blind, deaf and mute of what is the true picture/situation of the Filipino migrant workers, as long as they are receiving their own salaries and enjoying their own purposes."
Sad but its really true...
riomar- Tapat na Mamamayan
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to sir ernie,
thank you very much for your untiring sharing of realistic opinions, observation, and ideas... i am proud to say that i am one of your fans here in sulyapinoy... thank you for your very informative posts...
i wish you can contribute your regular opinion articles to sulyapinoy newsletter or to other filipino community newsletter...
mabuhay po kayo!
thank you very much for your untiring sharing of realistic opinions, observation, and ideas... i am proud to say that i am one of your fans here in sulyapinoy... thank you for your very informative posts...
i wish you can contribute your regular opinion articles to sulyapinoy newsletter or to other filipino community newsletter...
mabuhay po kayo!
dave- FEWA - Administrative Adviser
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to mr. dave,
good day.
thank you for appreciation. and it is my honor to be invited to write in sulyap pinoy newsletter. if you wouldn't mind, you can copy or extract my articles posted here and published in the newsletter. in this way, our opinion and information can be read by most of the OFWs.
I am giving you the authority to publish my articles posted here in sulyap pinoy newsletter. anyway, my name (Ernie Obias) as the author has been viewed by our readers.
thank you.
good day.
thank you for appreciation. and it is my honor to be invited to write in sulyap pinoy newsletter. if you wouldn't mind, you can copy or extract my articles posted here and published in the newsletter. in this way, our opinion and information can be read by most of the OFWs.
I am giving you the authority to publish my articles posted here in sulyap pinoy newsletter. anyway, my name (Ernie Obias) as the author has been viewed by our readers.
thank you.
ernie obias- Super Sipag na Mamamayan
- Number of posts : 92
Location : Seoul
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Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
to mr. dave,
good day.
thank you for appreciation. and it is my honor to be invited to write in sulyap pinoy newsletter. if you wouldn't mind, you can copy or extract my articles posted here and published in the newsletter. in this way, our opinion and information can be read by most of the OFWs.
I am giving you the authority to publish my articles posted here in sulyap pinoy newsletter. anyway, my name (Ernie Obias) as the author has been viewed by our readers.
thank you.
sir ernie,
since i am not a member of sulyapinoy newsletter anymore, all i can do is suggest to the current sulyapinoy staff to let you contribute your opinion article...
thank you...
since i am not a member of sulyapinoy newsletter anymore, all i can do is suggest to the current sulyapinoy staff to let you contribute your opinion article...
thank you...
dave- FEWA - Administrative Adviser
- Number of posts : 1567
Location : Incheon, South Korea
Cellphone no. : 010-9294-4365
Reputation : 40
Points : 2299
Registration date : 11/02/2008
Re: july 4,2010 SUNDAY, 3PM, HYEWA-DONG, SEOUL- DIALOGUE BETWEEN NGO'S (KASAMMAKO Org., EPS WORKERS-NON EPS WORKERS PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
ernie obias wrote:it is very rewarding that the facilitators of this website are truly voracious readers and know where they stand. congratulations! may you continue to be a good role model to our fellow migrant workers and help them to be empowered with their rights.
Sir Ernie, we are also pleased of people like you who share their unbiased insights regarding topics such as the one mentioned above. Thank you for sharing your knowledge to our readers and members.
to mr. dave,
good day.
thank you for appreciation. and it is my honor to be invited to write in sulyap pinoy newsletter. if you wouldn't mind, you can copy or extract my articles posted here and published in the newsletter. in this way, our opinion and information can be read by most of the OFWs.
I am giving you the authority to publish my articles posted here in sulyap pinoy newsletter. anyway, my name (Ernie Obias) as the author has been viewed by our readers.
thank you.
Sir ernie, not only that your articles are very welcome on our newsletter, but also, you are very much welcome to join our editorial staff. We are in need of writers etc, for our newsletter. If you wouldn't mind also, can you rewrite and send your article to fit our opinion section/page.
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